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The WIP Post Girlfriends 4 Ever DLC thread
11-08-2015, 10:55 PM (This post was last modified: 11-26-2015 07:42 PM by miro.)
Post: #1
The WIP Post Girlfriends 4 Ever DLC thread
Home Sweet home Big Grin

All feedback on the just released Girlfriends 4 Ever DLCs welcome!

Please keep it clean and constructive!
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11-22-2015, 10:36 PM
Post: #161
RE: The NEW WIP Post Girlfriends 4 Ever DLC thread [TROLL Edition]
(11-22-2015 12:33 PM)borsten Wrote:  Wow... Miro didn't get back at you in any way? No thanks for your effort whatsoever?

I'm trying to think positive and assume that miro is just "busy" for the time being, and that responding to what I wrote (in detail) would be time better invested elsewhere (like patching up DLCs 1&2). I prefer that notion to the alternative(s).

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11-22-2015, 10:51 PM
Post: #162
RE: The NEW WIP Post Girlfriends 4 Ever DLC thread [TROLL Edition]
(11-22-2015 12:33 PM)borsten Wrote:  
(11-21-2015 10:38 AM)IBT Wrote:  Not to try and toot my own horn, but I'm wondering if I wasted my time with the file by file analysis of things to fix and comment on a few pages back. No way to tell if my feedback was of any use (to miro) or not. If it wasn't, then I know not to waste my efforts on doing anything similar in the future.

Wow... Miro didn't get back at you in any way? No thanks for your effort whatsoever? That's lame, to say the least.
He should have asked you if you could do that kind of analysis for future projects BEFORE they get released, so he can try and fix them. And maybe only has to face a mild breeze instead of another shitstorm with the next release.

Maybe Miro is taking a break, and letting others fix the file/software mishaps.

Gotta agree with borsten. Miro shoulda hired IBT (or whoever) to look things over before release, and frankly should 'still' do so. My question is... was the lack of polishing cuz Miro was paranoid that if (too many) people got access to the files before release, stuff would get leaked?

Was he perhaps getting low on funds ...or did he just underestimate the amount of post-work that still needed doing, and so didn't think to hire anyone?

Based on recent comments/site activity, it seems that Affect3D is, indeed, processing résumés, which sounds promising for both the near future, and distant horizons. Here's hoping Miro is busy pulling together a bigger team.

Also, are all pictures still turned off by default for all site visitors (to save bandwidth), or is it just us guys on VPN's/Tor Browser?

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Has any1 noticed when U try to hold down shift to type 'G4E', you get G$E instead? Coincidence, or something more?
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11-23-2015, 04:13 PM
Post: #163
RE: The NEW WIP Post Girlfriends 4 Ever DLC thread [TROLL Edition]
I wont step on any ones toes here not intentionally.

Personally i have bought Miro's pack G4F and i have no complains to its content, and i also have no complain to other folks work at all when it comes to 3D work.
It is weary hard to get all aspects perfect there will almost always be some wrongs and mishaps here and there.
What we all must understand and not forget, is that 3d is hard even if we use "simplify" tools that Daz and poser really is.

And i understand that if you buy something and want it perfect you must consider tow things here this site is full of "Porn Fans" we ho don't have any issue with porn.
but the content here is 3d and as far as i know no one here is pro-master in 3D
"arrest me if am totally wrong. Tongue" many here learn as they go as am i.

So in the end if you want flawless porn you need to go and buy the real thing. as 3d porn will almost certain fall short to the real thing any given time as it is.

And i see complains about the fluid "sperm effect" to all that know 3d in large programs as small "lightwave / 3ds max/ C4d " fluids and lights are the 2 most difficult thing to make and to get right. and to folks here that isn't using 3d programs but like the work we make and give and sell some explanation to the dynamic.
As fluid goes it can look perfect in 1 angle and look shit in an other angle due to the light. so then is must be fixed with light setting but that also makes the models "humans" look different from the last render.
and that is why when you get things in 3d you must have this in the mind and know it will not be perfect in all ways and form.
at that point i thing you,we will enjoy the creativity and the renders more. Big Grin

This is only my thoughts about 3D porn in general.
I do not intend to offend or step on some ones work in any way here. Big Grin

Have a Happy 3D porn Angel
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11-23-2015, 09:05 PM
Post: #164
RE: The NEW WIP Post Girlfriends 4 Ever DLC thread [TROLL Edition]
*yawns*

*stretches*

*takes a deep, satisfied breath*

So I got banned a few weeks ago, right after launch.

Personally, I don't know why I got singled out so exclusively.
Apparently me and Tiffany are trolls.

Not to be conceited, but I thought my reviews on pages 1/2/3 were just as thoughtful and impactful as hers, if not moreso, but I didn't get any quotes or replies.

Must be because I got mad at that one person for spoiling the entire project.
Probably where I messed up.

Anyhooo, I come back to see this new "NON-TROLL, MIRO TYRANT EDITION" thread, only to find out it was never made.

Also, Miro has completely disappeared from the thread.

And while the hardest critiques have quieted down, without anyone here to say of Miro's flaws, looks like it's pretty much a dead picnic.

I assume Miro is just stuck in a closet somewhere by himself unable to comprehend this failure.

Now you need to remember in context that Miro has hyped the shit out of this project for YEARS, and many people are ignorant of the full story.

I'm sure money was made and numbers were tallied, but this is always going to be the black mark on Miro's legacy for me.

I'm off to find new pastures, and while my post is negative, I won't be getting mad at anyone or repeating all the things that still aren't included in the DLC that was hyped to be or all the lags and switches and frame-rate drops.

I'm somewhat satisfied to see everything crash and burn.

Almost like all that pain we went through with the bullshit release was worth it to see Miro finally break his cool and lose it like the rest of us.

*smokes*

*blows rings*

*smiles*

Well, my time is done.

Let it be known that more than 2 years before the project was released, that I, the former THREADMASTER, predicted the release date, nearly 750 days in advance, and was only off by 22 days.

Beating a dead horse here, but aren't we all?

Happy fapping, friends.
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11-23-2015, 09:52 PM
Post: #165
RE: The NEW WIP Post Girlfriends 4 Ever DLC thread [TROLL Edition]
(11-23-2015 09:05 PM)Ess Wrote:  Almost like all that pain we went through

What part of your body hurt the most? Was it your head?
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11-24-2015, 01:28 PM
Post: #166
RE: The NEW WIP Post Girlfriends 4 Ever DLC thread [TROLL Edition]
(11-23-2015 09:52 PM)borsten Wrote:  
(11-23-2015 09:05 PM)Ess Wrote:  Almost like all that pain we went through

What part of your body hurt the most? Was it your head?
"" Hey Borsten "" bigdaddy here ,

how ya ben " you know what you should have said , which head ? ...Big Grin
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11-25-2015, 11:28 AM
Post: #167
RE: The NEW WIP Post Girlfriends 4 Ever DLC thread [TROLL Edition]
I kind of thought Ess himself would do the inevitable and take the obvious bait but he didn't. Although he could have done it, considering he was online yesterday aka the day after the day he said he was done with miro...
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11-26-2015, 02:21 AM
Post: #168
RE: The NEW WIP Post Girlfriends 4 Ever DLC thread [TROLL Edition]
(11-23-2015 09:05 PM)Ess Wrote:  Let it be known that more than 2 years before the project was released, that I, the former THREADMASTER, predicted the release date, nearly 750 days in advance, and was only off by 22 days.
Not sure if you saw this post over on my thread. Wink
(11-11-2015 01:47 AM)ammon17 Wrote:  Nope, jjuice is our new G4E prophet; kinda like "the guy" who was so near the mark with his DLC release date. But then he was off by several weeks, so off with his head! Don't fail us jjuice... or else! 8|

Has any1 noticed when U try to hold down shift to type 'G4E', you get G$E instead? Coincidence, or something more?
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11-26-2015, 04:00 AM (This post was last modified: 11-26-2015 04:02 AM by miro.)
Post: #169
RE: The NEW WIP Post Girlfriends 4 Ever DLC thread [TROLL Edition]
(11-16-2015 01:50 AM)IBT Wrote:  Hopefully, this exhaustive listing of things to fix and improve upon will be of some use to miro in some capacity. If nothing else, it should tell miro which loops are "broken" and don't repeat seamlessly (spoiler alert, they come in batches!).

Doing a quick tally, I found the following depressing statistics for DLCs 1 & 2 combined.

Total .swf and .mp4 files: 109
Sayako's expression visible? no (53), yes (38)
Sayako's eyes visible? no (82), yes (18)
Tara's expression visible? no (67), yes (27)
Tara's eyes visible? no (87), yes (16)

This means you can only expect to see Sayako's face clearly in 1/3rd of the scenes and loops. You can only expect to see Sayako's eyes clearly in 1/6th of the scenes and loops.

You can only expect to see Tara's face clearly in 1/4 of the scenes and loops. You can only expect to see Tara's eyes clearly in 1/7th of the scenes and loops.

Which means that even when you can see either of their faces well enough to read their expressions and "connect" to Sayako and Tara emotionally (as opposed to merely just physically), even then you'll only get to see their eyes HALF of those times.

No wonder DLC 1 and DLC 2 felt so ... impersonal ... to me. I spend so much of the time watching these just looking at BODIES ... not PEOPLE ... let alone people who are falling in love with each other.

G4E was high quality erotica that touched the spirit and aroused passions.

DLCs 1 & 2 are mainly just ... porn. They do not rise to the level of high quality erotica, because the most important aspect of the experience has been lost. I don't actually CARE about the bodies I'm watching writhing around on screen, because they aren't PEOPLE anymore, they're just a collection of body parts going through the motions. The spiritual essence of what made G4E *connect* with its viewer has been abandoned. And why is that? Because I can't see faces. I can't see eyes. I can't see reactions, or feelings or sensations. There is no communication, either between the characters, of their inner thoughts, desires and feelings, or with me.

Which, I guess, is a long winded way of saying that miro chose a lot of terrible camera angles to film with. The underlying animations and kinematics are (usually) pretty damn good, with only the occasional clipping or interactivity issues, but the compositional aspects of choosing camera angles and camera moves leaves a tremendous amount to be desired. To be honest, that would be the first place I'd want miro to focus on improving ... camera control ... and I'd actually place a higher priority on that than on mastering fluid dynamics(!).

wow, you put a lot of work into this, can't quite agree with all the conclusions and some were obviously subjective, but overall very detailed deconstruction, so props for that, would be great to see you doing QA testing, if that doesn't spoil it for you Smile

your points about eye contact interesting, but one thing you can assume is that I've explored dozens and dozens of angles (always including face) and haven't deemed a facial/ eye close-up aesthetically strong enough

imo, the models aren't detailed enough to get good facial close-ups so I am very selective about close-ups in general and particularly eyes and expressions, expressions in general is an area I think I need to work on, so it's harder getting good shots than you might think

having said that I think more detailed models with future projects should open up more opportunities in that area and I agree in general that focus on expression (and story) is a big deal
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11-26-2015, 06:22 AM
Post: #170
RE: The NEW WIP Post Girlfriends 4 Ever DLC thread [TROLL Edition]
(11-21-2015 07:01 PM)sarge86 Wrote:  I cannot install or play either DLC on my computer. The DLC 1 installer flat out does not work, as it tries (and fails) to install the latest version of Flash on my windows 10 machine. Googling the problem seems to conclude that windows 10 just doesn't support it, and unless a workaround is found I'm basically unable to run DLC1. DLC 2 is much of the same, the installers do not run properly (I get the splash screen when opening it, but nothing else) and the workaround of creating a DLC folder in the original program and adding the game files manually does nothing. Support was half hearted in their attempts to fix the problem, and after a few responses to my e-mails they just stopped responding altogether. To compound the issue, I cannot re-download the orignal G4E program and start fresh, because I purchased the game from a third party site, and when it was added to my store account the only licence I received was for the Quicktime movie version of G4E, which is not what I paid for.

G4E works fine on win 10, contact [email protected] there are a few basic things to try
- adobe air should be up to date, try uninstalling old versions
- temp folder must have lots of space, ideally 3gb+
- run via admin
- dlc1 must run for dlc2 to work

you mean you have the original mp4 version, but want the original G4E flash version still?
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11-26-2015, 06:26 AM (This post was last modified: 11-26-2015 06:42 AM by miro.)
Post: #171
RE: The NEW WIP Post Girlfriends 4 Ever DLC thread [TROLL Edition]
(11-18-2015 06:18 PM)Prince Martell Wrote:  Last but not least... the production time. Okay, first: I fully and totally respect miro for the more than obvious amount of work he has put in this project. And during the years of production, the whole 3DX industry I was talking about in the beginning was able to grow, and that was great. But here comes the "I know nothing about making 3DX guy comment": come on man, that was a damn long wait. It's worth it, sure. But what I mean here is that we LOVE your work so much that we would like to see more of it. And knowing that we will probably have to wait another 3 to 4 years to see the next title... Damn, it breaks my boner a bit.

well don't know how long it will take for my next project if there is one, but I thought the point of announcing was that you don't have to wait, no?

(11-17-2015 07:47 PM)h666666 Wrote:  However, DLC.02 just fails there. The slo-mo doesn't work; I know it's rendered in full speed and then some sort of extrapolation is used to slow the action down, but this extrapolation doesn't work. It just looks off. I can't enjoy that scene.

well I worked super smooth slomo for regular animation, however that an several other techniques wouldn't work with the fluid simulated mesh, so I had to do it in post work and after effects has a really hard time with fine detailed stringy objects, especially at low frame rates like 24 fps

assume that any issues that are still there are mostly there for a reason, I literally spent far longer fixing stuff than the animation itself, much longer... because many issues with the bending and the gens being separate models, if I could simply animate and go, I'd be happy camper


(11-21-2015 07:01 PM)sarge86 Wrote:  As a final thought, I do enjoy the work you put out miro, and I think the quality is unmatched. I just hope you address these issues. I don't normally pay for porn but I made an exception for your work because I like it so much, but right now I'm feeling very discouraged.

pretty sure I've acknowledged the missing shlong on the dlc page already and the fact that I'm adding it the patch, so I'm hoping the monster shlong will brighten up your day once again Smile



(11-21-2015 08:28 PM)myself Wrote:  hey Miro, erm question now that u have finished the DLC what will your next work be? if I remember we still have the Halloween EVIL NUNS with the EVIL TARA set right? right? right?


yes, yes, evil nuns is next and I'm hoping for a release in January Tongue <--------- and yes, that's a joke
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11-26-2015, 06:48 AM
Post: #172
RE: The NEW WIP Post Girlfriends 4 Ever DLC thread [TROLL Edition]
(11-22-2015 10:51 PM)ammon17 Wrote:  Maybe Miro is taking a break, and letting others fix the file/software mishaps.

Gotta agree with borsten. Miro shoulda hired IBT (or whoever) to look things over before release, and frankly should 'still' do so. My question is... was the lack of polishing cuz Miro was paranoid that if (too many) people got access to the files before release, stuff would get leaked?

Was he perhaps getting low on funds ...or did he just underestimate the amount of post-work that still needed doing, and so didn't think to hire anyone?

Based on recent comments/site activity, it seems that Affect3D is, indeed, processing résumés, which sounds promising for both the near future, and distant horizons. Here's hoping Miro is busy pulling together a bigger team.

Also, are all pictures still turned off by default for all site visitors (to save bandwidth), or is it just us guys on VPN's/Tor Browser?

hiring someone is also work and and building a pipe line is even more work, but I'm sure we'll get there
no images are working, so must be Tor?
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11-26-2015, 06:49 AM
Post: #173
RE: The NEW WIP Post Girlfriends 4 Ever DLC thread [TROLL Edition]
anyway as I said, new thread here, will close this one after a while

The NEW WIP Post Girlfriends 4 Ever DLC thread [TROLL FREE Edition]
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11-26-2015, 01:37 PM
Post: #174
RE: The NEW WIP Post Girlfriends 4 Ever DLC thread [TROLL Edition]
(11-26-2015 04:00 AM)miro Wrote:  wow, you put a lot of work into this
{snippity}

Reply will be made in the Troll Free thread. Look for it there. Idea

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11-26-2015, 10:42 PM
Post: #175
RE: The WIP Post Girlfriends 4 Ever DLC thread
(11-26-2015 06:26 AM)miro Wrote:  
(11-17-2015 07:47 PM)h666666 Wrote:  However, DLC.02 just fails there. The slo-mo doesn't work; I know it's rendered in full speed and then some sort of extrapolation is used to slow the action down, but this extrapolation doesn't work. It just looks off. I can't enjoy that scene.

well I worked super smooth slomo for regular animation, however that an several other techniques wouldn't work with the fluid simulated mesh, so I had to do it in post work and after effects has a really hard time with fine detailed stringy objects, especially at low frame rates like 24 fps

assume that any issues that are still there are mostly there for a reason, I literally spent far longer fixing stuff than the animation itself, much longer... because many issues with the bending and the gens being separate models, if I could simply animate and go, I'd be happy camper

Well, I'm making my own "super hot scenes only" cut of the movie, and found that when I simply cut the weird slow-mo, it all gets a lot better. I don't think anyone demands slow motion; it's a nice to have, but only in case it works.

I'm not asking you to do the impossible; I'm asking you to let go when it becomes clear that something is impossible Smile

Just get rid of any slow-motion that doesn't work. Anyone against?
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02-21-2016, 10:57 AM
Post: #176
RE: The WIP Post Girlfriends 4 Ever DLC thread
MIRO: "well don't know how long it will take for my next project IF THERE IS ONE, but I thought the point of announcing was that you don't have to wait, no?"

guys miro did it, he is rich now.as if he needs to work again in life. do what we all would do miro, enjoy ur life Big Grin. thx for ur project tho Wink.
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01-05-2018, 11:27 AM
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RE: The WIP Post Girlfriends 4 Ever DLC thread
why? what do you want to see ?

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